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That is a false way of saying it. Because then you are unpacking what dBs are, which is fascinating, but not how humans perceive sound. We use dBs exactly because it approaches human experience of sound better (although still shitty) than sound pressure would. A better logarithmic system would use base 2, I think phons tried to popularize that, but signal processing calculation with a base 2 log is less convenient than a base 10 log. So I think that is the reason.

For who wants to know: sound perception doubles every 10dB so. 30db of dynamic range is about 8 times as much dynamic range from the perceptual perspective.


> That is a false way of saying it

As an audio engineer I'm well aware of how decibels work and why we use them.

You're talking about subjective perception but I'm talking about objective measurements.


Objectively we care about the amount of information in the signal, not air movement. Air movement is just a medium which conveys information. It's not just "subjective perception", it's the meaning of the process.

I'm stating an objective measurable fact not arguing about semantics or meaning, whatever that is for you.

This whole thread is about subjective perception, other than yours

That's your interpretation.

When someone claims that vinyl has less than half the DR of a CD then I think it's important to clarify how big of a difference it actually is. I would imagine HN would care about 16bits vs aprox 10bits of dynamic range.


Pedantry isn't interesting.

And a lot faster than on land. 5 times if I recollect correctly.

About right, but more importantly it's highly dependent on factors like pressure, temperature and salinity, all of which change in relevant ways in the ocean depths.

People imagine sonar like it's radar, where you get clean bearings and distance readings, but it's so much noisier and hard to decipher.

And yet it really does travel long distances which is both good and bad if you're a submariner.


And this has implications for hearing damage to cetaceans, yes ?

Salinity, temperature and pressure aren't normally large factors for cetaceans, no.

If you're referring to active sonar, that's an issue for anything with ears under the water. But animals themselves also can make loud noises (e.g. the sperm whale can reach 230+ dB), as can surface ships with their own active sonar kits.


AIUI the problem has been the USN making absolutely huge noises and the relevance being that the noises carry very long distances, affecting wide areas of habitat.

Are you the kind of guy that says that all things that serve no purpose except for entertainment should be banned?

I am of the opposite school. I think practical things are fine and dandy, but the things that make us human, make life worth living, are all "useless".



This is some terry pratchett level craziness.


Nah, its not that they were trespassing. Its that they were trespassing while shouting that they were going to hang pence. It was because they were part of a group that attacked police officers. The goal of the trespassing counts.


There are different narratives describing J6. Not everyone who entered the capitol was calling for a Pence hanging. Some who never entered the Capitol were later arrested for somehow trespassing on the surrounding grounds (because of unannounced security protocols). The number of undercover FBI agents present among the J6 protestors has never been revealed, and the FBI has a history of inciting terror to obtain convictions.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/capitol-riot-defendants-face-u...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies


Not everyone was calling for the murder of a VP, but everyone who did is walking free - with everyone who attacked the police. Which narrative is that?

I’d hope, as I think you do, that those only guilty of association would find themselves exonerated.


Anything [prefix]maxxing just sounds so bad. It just feels so Andrew Tate...


It's more Clavicular than Andrew Tate.


Its because the president used to have a modicum of respect for the house and the Senate. So the president did have the sole right to send military anywhere on the planet and even launch nukes without any need for congressional permission. This is by design. But the other presidents were a bit less crazy so we never noticed.


I agree. Was annoyed by it.


Play and read simultaneously. Its nice.


Are you guys 12


famously, once you age past 12, you are no longer allowed to find anything fun.


"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C.S. Lewis


"If we let ourselves, we will always be waiting for distractions to end before we can get down to work"

- C.S. Lewis


To chatgpt? Claude I believe, but chat?


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