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Sure, that’s not my point. It’s a mindset thing: driving a sports car or electric SUV but simultaneously soothing yourself that someone surely tested those for environmental impact is just self-delusion. Drive a sports car if that’s your thing, but at least stand by your decision for what it is—an act of hedonism.


By that argument almost everything is. Ate some food that uses single-use plastics? Can't do that! Wanted to keep the lights on at night because it's more cozy? Nope! Want to drive to work because it takes <10 minutes instead of 40 for the bus? Dirty polluter! Want to feel comfortable in winter instead of shivering while covered in blankets? Just think about all that natural gas! Selfish selfish selfish! You can go as far here as you want - there's always something, it never ends.

If you're living in an industrialized country, pretty much everything we do to exist ends up being sub-optimal environmentally.

I'm not saying people should do nothing. But taking no enjoyment in life is also not a solution.


I don’t think we disagree. Doing something for your personal pleasure is fine (except if you’re Jeff Bezos and you’re shooting dick rockets into space for your personal pleasure. Just stop, Jeff.)

Deluding yourself that you have done all you could anyway is not. If you tell people they’ll save the planet if only they drive an electric and don’t drink coffee from plastic cups, they don’t fight for meaningful change anymore.

So by all means: enjoy your sports car. But don’t lie to yourself.


How would you recommend I get the kids to my inlaws' house besides using the electric SUV like I do now? Isn't hedonism supposed to be fun?

Key facts: 70 miles away, single car household, 4 people on board.


How about a car that doesn’t spend most of its energy on transporting its absurdly heavy self rather than the payload? It’s not like sedans suddenly aren’t a thing anymore.

That, or accepting that you drive an SUV because you like to drive an SUV. Either is fine.


> How about a car that doesn’t spend most of its energy on transporting its absurdly heavy self rather than the payload?

Precious few of these have ever been built, and none available commercially, as far as I know. The total weight of my family is maybe ~500 pounds. Any leads on any sedans less than this that can hit highway speeds?

Yes, I know EVs are heavier. Combustion vehicles waste most of their energy on the process of combustion. I ride a bike to work, which is the perfect vehicle for that application, but it won't work for this scenario.




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