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As far as i know, Russia mostly stopped using conscription for the ukraine war effort after popular discontent, and now mostly only uses conscripts internally, with most of the russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine being offered large sums of money to "volunteer".

I was initially assuming Israel was relying on reserves for the current war, which seems to be true, but it also sounds like being in the reserves is mandatory so i guess that is conscription with extra steps.

Anyways, i guess your broad point is right.


> Russia mostly stopped using conscription

Some draftees are made sign the contract not just with large sums of money but also force/torture. I am told it happens almost dsily and knowing a bit what russian army is like I think it is likely. Probably more likely if you are non-slavic guy from the regions and not a big city

This story is about a guy who was arrested for theft or something and was "offered" contract. Apparently cops get 100000 rub reward for one guy who they "convince". https://meduza.io/feature/2025/07/13/dozhd-18-letnego-dagest...



Sorry how is it related to russia forcing draftees into contract to be sent to frontlines again?


Our lead developer wasn't conscripted by Russia and I wanted to make sure that was clear to everyone.


Well OK but this argument is about narrative about russia "not using draftees in the war anymore". Not all comments on this page are about your developer.



I thought the existential question was the level of doublespeak. Does the country call it war?




I think both Koreas technically qualify. Even if it is cold war at this point.


Only one of those is fighting existential war.


All of those countries describe the wars in question to their own citizens as existential. It might be bullshit, but that doesn't really change the fact that people within each and every one of those countries may very well view them as existential.

That's basically war propaganda 101 - the war is defensive and existential.


Supposedly we’re talking about an actual existential threat, e.g. Russia occupying Ukraine.


What we're talking about is the GrapheneOS account claiming someone was conscripted, and claiming that it's an "existential and defensive" war. I assume this is basically true and that it's probably Ukraine or maybe Israel, but the way they're talking about how everyone is against them and sabotaging them makes me think we may not be dealing with a reliable narrator.

I assume that there's truth to what they're saying and that they probably were swatted, and that's awful. But it doesn't feel right to me. Being betrayed seems to be a consistent part of the narrative GrapheneOS presents about itself. It's even in the history section on their website.


> What we're talking about is the GrapheneOS account claiming someone was conscripted, and claiming that it's an "existential and defensive" war.

Our lead developer was conscripted.

> I assume this is basically true and that it's probably Ukraine or maybe Israel

We made it clear enough it was Ukraine and later publicly confirmed it multiple times once it wasn't going to cause any issues.

> but the way they're talking about how everyone is against them and sabotaging them makes me think we may not be dealing with a reliable narrator.

We've never said everyone is against us. You're misrepresenting our statements. You appear to be alluding to ongoing harassment which baselessly claims that I'm insane, delusional, schizophrenic, etc. Phrasing it the way you did doesn't absolve you of responsibility for participating in it.

> I assume that there's truth to what they're saying and that they probably were swatted, and that's awful.

What we've said about these topics is completely accurate and your attempt at misconstruing it and sowing doubt is wrong.

> But it doesn't feel right to me.

Okay, so you have unfounded theories based on vibes.

> Being betrayed seems to be a consistent part of the narrative GrapheneOS presents about itself. It's even in the history section on their website.

The information we've provided about these topics including about Copperhead's takeover attempt on the project in 2018 is accurate. Our lead developer being a Ukrainian man is easy enough to see from GitHub. They went from by far the most active developer to completely inactive after being forcibly conscripted at the start of April. They're now able to contribute a little bit in their free time again.


No, we're talking about things from the perspective of whomever made the post. We don't know this person's politics or what they believe. They may not be neutral. For that matter if they are somewhere like Russia they might have to worry about falling out a window if they describe something the wrong way.


The posts were made from our project account based on the consensus of our team. It was written and reviewed by multiple people prior to posting it. We made it obvious we were talking about Ukraine while not explicitly saying it to avoid involving GrapheneOS in the politics of the war and conscription to the extent possible. The final paragraph of what we posted was added later due to people wrongly speculating it was about Russia or Israel to make it clearer we were talking about Ukraine while also avoiding our posts being interpreted as being against Ukraine defending themselves.

See the response at https://qqrl.tk/item?id=44583672.





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