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As I said, I have yet to see evidence.

That's a bunch of words, but if we didn't know before LLMs and before the Internet, we know now: words are cheap and valueless without other properties. What distinguishes those words from propaganda? Why should someone believe it's true?

Throwing insults at people who disagree or question you makes it less likely there is substance to the words.



That comment threw no insults and made a bunch of easily verifiable claims.


"lazy Americans"

> easily verifiable claims.

I disagree that they are verifiable, not being factual statements. But if you think so, then verify them. I'm not going around HN verifying the claims in everyone else's comments.


If you can't be bothered to verify claims then don't cast doubt.

The EV claims are the most trivially verifiable, the rest go down from there. Some of them have more nuance but you did not engage with that. Don't worry, reality will catch up eventually, you being convinced is strictly optional.


> If you can't be bothered to verify claims then don't cast doubt.

It's the opposite: If you post claims then others will absolutely cast doubt and it's up to you to verify them. No way other people should do it for you (that's also very inefficient - you already know how to verify them and also it's redundant for everyone else to do it). Even better, you'll see people cite their claims before anyone asks.

In any serious field, you don't make claims and then require others to verify them. Imagine a scientist or courtroom lawyer doing that. It's up to you and if you don't, then it's nonsense by default.


It's a comment section, and those are common sense observations about the Chinese economy. Like I said, you don't need to be convinced, it will continue happening whether you agree or not.


They're not commonsense - most disagree with what I know - and just saying they are is just stuff. Saying it will continue to happen isn't evidence. Just saying things doesn't mean anything.

> It's a comment section

Not just any comment section; HN plays by different rules. Look at how others interact. Just spouting claims doesn't get you far.


I didn't mean to call you lazy, I hadn't seen any evidence that you see Beijing and Moscow as undifferentiated other, which is the habit of thought I did call lazy.

You are awfully contrarian for someone whose response to an argument is "that's not proven to my satisfaction" and when asked what citations would satisfy you replies "it's not my job to define what citations I will and won't admit".

You do you king, but it's not exactly the incandescent childlike wonder of the perpetual student's mind.

I'll wager your mind was made up before we started having a conversation.


> when asked what citations would satisfy you replies "it's not my job to define what citations I will and won't admit".

That exchange never happened - maybe you're thinking of someone else?

> I'll wager your mind was made up

You can see how empty the Sinophile side is: they will talk about anything, say anything, but provide actual substance as a basis for their claims.


Having a side is a habit of the uncurious.


I agree, and there's clearly a Sinophile side here: I wish people would engage in a substantive discussion instead of attacking others, this time as 'uncurious'. As I've pointed out, anything but engage on substance.




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